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Post by Max on Dec 27, 2010 8:00:42 GMT
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Post by alya1989262 on Dec 27, 2010 8:02:37 GMT
Time for a who would win in a fight poll?
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Post by noblemanofreason on Dec 27, 2010 8:03:14 GMT
Why do I feel Annie has just destabilised the court forest relationship? Can Jones seriously fight off Coyote, a god?
Either way, this isn't going to end well for anyone.
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Post by vindarten on Dec 27, 2010 8:04:29 GMT
Oh god, Coyote has stopped smiling. They are all so screwed.
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Post by Max on Dec 27, 2010 8:04:44 GMT
Tom had this to say:Which seems pretty clear-cut, but Jones wouldn't necessarily have to defeat Coyote to get Annie away.
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Post by basser on Dec 27, 2010 8:06:41 GMT
Haaahahaha, Coyote's pissed offfff. That's definitely a >8| face.
And now we know that, along with being an impartial observer, Jones also practices a (fairly flexible?) policy of non-interference. Also she's a hardcore badass, but we knew that.
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Post by scatter on Dec 27, 2010 8:07:16 GMT
A very large pile of..... stuff just hit the fan. I look at the last panel and cringe: a panel where Coyote isn't talking or smiling or replying to Annie with a snarky response.
I think we are about to see the most angry face.
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Post by mariposa on Dec 27, 2010 8:09:12 GMT
Yeah...I'm definetly concerned about the lack of toothiness...
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Post by edzepp on Dec 27, 2010 8:11:29 GMT
Well, Coyote already heard that Renard was tricked and captured, but now we're going into specifics.
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Post by allec on Dec 27, 2010 8:18:34 GMT
I think we just found out why Jones can't be medium.
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Post by scatter on Dec 27, 2010 8:20:59 GMT
Well, Coyote already heard that Renard was tricked and captured, but now we're going into specifics. I found the page where it mentioned this: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=497Reflecting on this and then looking at this page, Coyote's anger may turn towards Surma's daughter, Annie. Also, Jones' first line is "You should come with me" not "Come with me" or "I'm taking you back." Jones may be here to SAVE Annie.
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Post by basser on Dec 27, 2010 8:31:00 GMT
Well, Coyote already heard that Renard was tricked and captured, but now we're going into specifics. I found the page where it mentioned this: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=497Reflecting on this and then looking at this page, Coyote's anger may turn towards Surma's daughter, Annie. Also, Jones' first line is "You should come with me." not "Come with me" or "I'm taking you back." Jones may be here to SAVE Annie. Yeah but didn't Coyote tell Annie that no harm would come to her if she visited him in his forest? There were no caveats of having to signal or be directly invited for the harm-doing to be avoided, so by his own constraints of honesty he can't allow her to be hurt.
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Post by allec on Dec 27, 2010 8:33:04 GMT
I agree with Basser on this one. We've already seen how loyal Coyote is to his word.
He could ban her from the forest, I think, but I find it quite unlikely.
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Post by scyllarus on Dec 27, 2010 8:34:03 GMT
is it just me, or is coyote suddenly much larger? he normally takes coyote-sized form, but he's about as big as ysengrin in the later panel.
other interesting things: coyote says that jones is "demanding" antimony to come back with her, whereas jones had only said "you SHOULD come back," not "you MUST come back." obviously, there's something pretty ugly between coyote and jones, that coyote is bending (?) the truth. i don't see jones just grabbing annie and running, since she probably knows that annie wouldn't take that well...so why would coyote say something like "she's not going anywhere she doesn't want to"? my opinion? coyote isn't quite speaking the truth anymore. what he's saying may be true, technically (although, isn't that what coyote does?), but it's more...posturing that anything else. he's "protecting" annie from jones - you can see annie's angry face - and manipulating annie to his own ends.
also, annie's acting really out of character in the second to last panel. not, "coyote! did you do something to my mother?!" or "coyote! my mother died because of me!" but "coyote! let me tell you something you already know!" perhaps breaking the tension? i mean, no offense, but coyote probably has the gist of it - reynard loves surma, reynard took coyote's body-snatching power and took a young man, coyote says reynard was tricked. coyote might not think surma tricked rey, but.... opinion: i think annie's trying to break the tension. that part of the revelations wasn't exactly the part that cut her deepest, and unless she wants to know if coyote already knew, there's almost no point in asking.
prediction: coyote will start laughing again and point out that he knew/it's a good joke. or, he'll kick her out for being the daughter of a betrayer, in which annie'll have to confide in jones because she won't have a choice anymore.
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Post by ladyset on Dec 27, 2010 8:41:32 GMT
i just wonder how coyote will react to antimony telling him about surma...i mean he looks like he's going to be angry in the next scene!!
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Post by blulink on Dec 27, 2010 8:45:33 GMT
So Jones tells Antimony she is making a mistake. How would she know that?
I like how that even keeping Jones' face impassive, Tom still adds menace and threat with a close-up at the right time and the right place. The art is very subtle here. Did anyone notice how Coyote's coloring fades in the the panel borders and is even reflected at some areas on the bottom of the page? Is it representative of his blending through worlds or just a software glitch? Very nifty either way.
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Post by Max on Dec 27, 2010 8:57:23 GMT
is it just me, or is coyote suddenly much larger? he normally takes coyote-sized form, but he's about as big as ysengrin in the later panel. He does that back in The Fangs of Summertime when Ysengrin attacks Anniecoyote says that jones is "demanding" antimony to come back with her, whereas jones had only said "you SHOULD come back," not "you MUST come back." I wondered about that too, but I thought maybe that maybe Coyote picked up some subtext that we are unaware of. Like, he knows that when Jones says you "should" do something, she isn't really giving you a choice.
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Post by basser on Dec 27, 2010 8:58:48 GMT
Ehhh I'm thinking she's more trying to get information on how much Coyote knew rather than breaking tension or whatever. Especially since a statement like that is pretty much guaranteed to escalate tension, not relieve it.
Jones basically just said "I'm taking her back whether you like it or not." Annie knows Jones is some kind of crazy-ass powerful, and there's no guarantee Coyote will be willing to resort to violence when technically Annie belongs to the Court anyway, so she's probably trying to get some kind of reaction out of him before she either gets whisked away by Jones or becomes spectator to one of the most mind-breakingly awesome fights of comic history.
Besides which, Jones and Coyote are the two beings most likely to know the entire truth of her mother's betrayal of Renard, but neither of them are likely to give straight answers when asked. Solution? Try to get them to argue about it. Hopefully neither will be able to resist correcting the other and the whole story will emerge. Then Annie will have a clearer idea of what kind of person her mother really was and can better decide whether to be devastated at having killed a wonderful innocent person or devastated at having killed a manipulative sneaky person.
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Then again it could just be a delaying tactic. Annie probably isn't in too much of a hurry to go back to the Court right after breaking a bunch of school rules and nearly flash-frying a teacher. That's like, a month of detention at least.
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Post by kunchichi on Dec 27, 2010 9:38:15 GMT
Well. Uh.
Yeah, that last panel freaked me the heck out.
Also, Annie is an idiot.
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Post by lucifiel on Dec 27, 2010 10:42:01 GMT
Actually, I don't understand this.
If the information Annie has is possible of damaging relations between the Court and the Forest, then why even let her know about it? She's a 12 yr old and unlikely to be emotionally stable or good at keeping secrets.
Also, Jones freaks me out. A little. Take her, you say? Yeesh.
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Post by theweatherman on Dec 27, 2010 11:35:52 GMT
Oh shit...
Coyote is speechless and stopped smiling, there has only been ONE panel he's ever stopped smiling (when he hit ysengrin through a pillar) and as Tom said on formspring, bad things happen when Coyote is pissed.
Jones might not win, but the entire court vs Coyote? With all their combined magic and technology they could probably atleast hurt Coyote, so maybe Jones COULD in fact just take Annie from Coyote if she wanted. Although now with Coyote shocked and/or angry, Jones might just be screwed.
Still maybe this will reveal Jones true nature, perhaps in a insult from Coyote or something.
Edit: Damn Jones has balls, she's standing off against a god and his minion. Guess this means either she is extremely powerful and not scared of them or she's fearless and completely unafraid.
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Post by Alexandragon on Dec 27, 2010 11:54:20 GMT
HS! WOW! HERE WILL BE FIGHT!
P.S.: And Coyote's face... It will be something amazing, as I wish...
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Post by todd on Dec 27, 2010 12:14:31 GMT
I suspect that Annie told Coyote what Surma did (at least, in part) out of anger at the Court. Her resentment against it has been building, and the things she learned that day could only have been the last straw.
(Though she'd better hope that Jones doesn't inform the rest of the faculty what she just did - of course, Jones does strike me as likely to keep it a secret. That revelation could, in turn, be the last straw from the Court's perspective. She's in enough trouble as she is - and it doesn't help that this is coming on top of a cumulative list of problems she's caused the Court, going back to the Reynardine incident - or sending Robot across the Bridge, though the Court administration doesn't know about that. We could be looking at detention until she graduates, probably locked in a prison cell and with something in her food to suppress her etheric abilities so that she can't use them to escape. Or expulsion, but the Court would probably see the latter as too dangerous, not only because of her ownership of Reynardine, but also because of the problems of letting someone who knows as much about the Court and the Wood as she does, and in an unbalanced state of mind, roaming abroad, outside their supervision.)
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Post by 0o0f on Dec 27, 2010 12:34:09 GMT
Oh dear.
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Post by llogg on Dec 27, 2010 12:56:38 GMT
Can't see it. Is the site down?
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Post by jayne on Dec 27, 2010 14:13:54 GMT
It's up for me, llogg
Jones: "You're making a mistake"
I wonder what she's referring to: Annie leaving the court? Annie trusting Coyote & Company?
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Post by q3 on Dec 27, 2010 14:24:29 GMT
Jones and Coyote sound like two divorced parents fighting over who gets to have their kid over for the weekend.
Anyway, Coyote isn't mad, he's just taking a moment to figure out the most hilarious response.
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COYOTE: Ahahahaha! Renard! What an idiot! Well, it looks like I need a new number two. Fire Head Girl! You want to be my new general?
YSENGRIN: Hrmf.
COYOTE: Oh, right, right. Already have one of those. Abalone! You want to be my new admiral?
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COYOTE: Ahahahaha! Fire Head Girl! What an idiot! I think you just failed some kind of test. You also lost the game.
ANNIE: A test?
JONES: We wanted to see how you would deal with sensitive information. Did you think we would really entrust such a powerful secret with an unreliable twelve year old?
ANNIE: But - I'm thirteen.
YSENGRIN: Rules are rules. I lost the game.
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Post by zylonbane on Dec 27, 2010 14:25:03 GMT
You suck at keeping secrets, Annie.
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Post by paracelsus on Dec 27, 2010 14:31:48 GMT
I believe that Coyote, not smiling, is possibly the most frightening thing I have ever seen. Whatever happens next, it will be amazing to see, and probably bad for our favorite protagonist(whether directly or indirectly).
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Post by 0o0f on Dec 27, 2010 15:04:02 GMT
I almost expect him to start laughing next update, but he does look very seriousface. Annie might come to regret this.
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