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Post by Max on Nov 22, 2010 8:00:31 GMT
Eight Oh ThreeDepressing cookie time ------------ Also, dang Rey, criticizing Anthony for not being able to cure his wife? Harsh, dude.
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Post by Alex on Nov 22, 2010 8:02:13 GMT
Woah, major new information here!
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Post by edzepp on Nov 22, 2010 8:03:54 GMT
Oooooooooooooooooooooh [wait for it]
Snap.
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blastdragon
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Post by blastdragon on Nov 22, 2010 8:07:00 GMT
And in the next comic: Rey: I knew that already... Anne: WHAT? Rey: Yeah, I also never lover her but it was al part of the plan from the coyote... Anne: Which plan? --------- End comic
And that would be strange
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Post by ryos on Nov 22, 2010 8:07:17 GMT
Excrement, meet fan. The truth hurts.
Good to learn a bit more about Anthony.
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Post by Rex on Nov 22, 2010 8:12:31 GMT
Whoa, looks like the weight of that info about her mom and Rey's disparaging comment about her dad were too much.
Also, nice touch having Reynard say the same thing he said when we first met him ("My poor Surma"). He's going to flip. Especially if she tells him the rest.
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Post by jimbobbowilly on Nov 22, 2010 8:16:11 GMT
So is Annie going to yell at him why Surma didn't love her or explain it smug casually?
edit: I have made a syntax error, possibly due to fear of redundancy. "Surma didn't love him" is correct.
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Post by bnpederson on Nov 22, 2010 8:29:25 GMT
So is Annie going to yell at him why Surma didn't love her or explain it smug casually? My guess is an angry calm. Look at her face in the last panel; she's neither smug nor furious. I think when Annie gets real mad it's an ice cold anger.
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Post by Snes on Nov 22, 2010 8:30:32 GMT
So is Annie going to yell at him why Surma didn't love her or explain it smug casually? My vote is for angry but reserved. I think she'll be obviously mad, but she won't raise her voice. EDIT: bnpederson, why did you feel the need to ninja me and say the exact same thing I was going to say? I kid, I kid. Man, this was more dramatic than I thought it would be. Am I the only one who found it just a bit odd to see Annie standing up for her dad so strongly? The only times she's ever really discussed him was back under the cherry tree, and she didn't seem to think of him as caring much for her ( "Perhaps I did something to displease him..."). That last panel... man, that's an expression I never would have expected to see on our Annie.
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Post by Max on Nov 22, 2010 8:38:12 GMT
She might catch herself before she reveals too much.
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Post by Chemical Rascal on Nov 22, 2010 8:42:38 GMT
Or, perhaps, we'll find out that what the Court knows/is willing to tell isn't exactly correct, and Surma does/did love Rey, at least to some extent...
*Clings to the idea like a desperate fan-fiction writer*
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Post by monte on Nov 22, 2010 8:44:11 GMT
This conversation just gets uglier and uglier. Y'know even if Anthony was off trying to cure Surma's illness, I would not be able to help but retort "then where is he now?"... afterall, with Surma gone there isn't really anything holding him from coming back. Kinda makes me wonder if that's true about Annie's father, or it's only what Annie was told. That last panel... man, that's an expression I never would have expected to see on our Annie. Ya i don't think we've seen this level of anger in Annie. There's a lot of fury in that face
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 22, 2010 8:46:01 GMT
Bad move Annie! Baaaaad move... Actually that goes for Renard too. Talking about her father like that wasn't the most brilliant idea either...
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Post by fjodor on Nov 22, 2010 8:58:13 GMT
Rey is consistently talking about Anthony in the past tense. Just observing.
I vote for Annie shouting out the truth at Rey. But I am usually terrible at guessing so just ignore that.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 22, 2010 9:05:11 GMT
So is Annie going to yell at him why Surma didn't love her or explain it smug casually? My guess is an angry calm. Look at her face in the last panel; she's neither smug nor furious. I think when Annie gets real mad it's an ice cold anger. Agreed. Also, I gotta say that I love the way Antimony's bangs in that last panel look like claw-marks. That's an interesting way to draw the anger in someone's face and it sums up pretty well what's going on; Renard's remarks hurt her and now her claws are coming out.
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Post by penguinfactory on Nov 22, 2010 9:06:00 GMT
Uh oh.
From the few tidbits we've gotten about him I get the feeling Anthony was quite domineering. Authoritative personalities can instil loyalty very strongly in people, particularly when it's a parent you're talking about.
As for whether Surma and Anthony actually did love each other..... well, we'll see. Annie was only twelve when Surma died, she might be missing obvious clues to the contrary that adults would spot. There could also be some self-deception going on.
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Post by Snes on Nov 22, 2010 9:13:53 GMT
Well, I'm off to bed. I just wanted to supply you all with something this comic is lacking: DRAMATIC MUSIC!
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Post by sz on Nov 22, 2010 9:20:05 GMT
Oooooooh.
Evilface.
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Post by Amethyst on Nov 22, 2010 9:29:46 GMT
Renard earned it this time.
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Post by notacat on Nov 22, 2010 9:34:37 GMT
This conversation just gets uglier and uglier. Y'know even if Anthony was off trying to cure Surma's illness, I would not be able to help but retort "then where is he now?"... after all, with Surma gone there isn't really anything holding him from coming back. Kinda makes me wonder if that's true about Annie's father, or it's only what Annie was told. Maybe wild speculation, but what if Surma's condition was hereditary?
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Post by kalechibki on Nov 22, 2010 10:16:33 GMT
I know that the thought around the water cooler has often been that Anthony was a jerk, but where have we gotten most of the info we have on Anthony? Has it not been Rey and Eglamore, the two people who lost the most to Anthony, namely, Surma herself?
I know that Anthony disappears for two years here, and that's a rather selfish thing to do, but I think we also lost some perspective that Annie's comment in this comic brought back: He just lost his wife. So, after working for at least 12 years, Surma still dies on his watch. In the real world, having watched several of my friend's parents die while we were still children, often those children need a great support network because the remaining parent doesn't know how to cope, and essentially abandons their children during their own grief. It's not pretty, it's really sad, but how many of us can say that we really know what the death of a spouse feels like and how we would cope? Especially if Annie's right, and he did spend all that time trying to find a way to save her life?
Part of me thinks that two-three years, especially if he knows that Annie will be relatively safe at the court (or so he assumes), is not as horrible as one thinks...though that thought is warring with my father of a new born side.
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Post by Alexandragon on Nov 22, 2010 10:18:09 GMT
Oh, my God! Annie will tell THIS to him!
P.S.: I was right about that...
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Post by basser on Nov 22, 2010 11:46:49 GMT
Holy SHIT, Renard. Just... just holy shit. He absolutely deserves whatever he gets now. You just don't go around telling young girls their fathers never loved them or their mothers.
Edit. Also, just for kicks I'll throw this in for the "but they weren't very close" campers: my father left us when I was about 3 months old and was later murdered. I never met him, and have exactly one picture of him. This is basically as not-close to a parent as you can get. However, one Father's Day in elementary school I overheard another kid in my class say that he heard the reason I didn't have a dad to make a gift for was because my real dad was an alcoholic crackhead. I got up out of my seat, and punched that kid in the face. It didn't matter that I'd never met my dad, he was still my dad, and nobody was gonna talk shit about him while I was around.
So I guess what I'm saying is I hope Annie punches Renard in the face.
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Post by whattheziek on Nov 22, 2010 12:01:23 GMT
Well, I'm off to bed. I just wanted to supply you all with something this comic is lacking: DRAMATIC MUSIC!I love you forever for posting that. So much. You win the internet. ON TOPIC:Daaaaaaaaang, Annie. I hope this ends badly (I'm a sucker for drama, so what?) It will probably make their inevitable separation from each other for the holiday more bearable, and then they have the nice bonus of a month apart to cool their heads. Y'know what they say 'Familiarity breeds contempt'I'mma play devil's advocate and say that Anthony was a decent guy. You don't get to be a surgeon without at least some passion for human life. I do hope Renard gets his fluffy butt handed to him. Maybe with the assistance of some mad etheric fire? (Still looking out for the title..) Tiny aside: Love how Annie's hair is all messed up as she gets angrier. Gives it a real emotional edge. Also a nice call-back to when they first met! 'My poor Surma' and messy-hair-covering-an-eye Annie. Pretty neat. [/ranting]
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Post by fjodor on Nov 22, 2010 12:07:57 GMT
I got up out of my seat, and punched that kid in the face. It didn't matter that I'd never met my dad, he was still my dad, and nobody was gonna talk shit about him while I was around. You rock.
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Post by Eisenblume on Nov 22, 2010 13:49:14 GMT
Even if Surma had loved Renard, he lost her to Anthony. And he should respect her choice, not drool over her still. Also, you do NOT speak like that about anyones father.
I did not think I would ever say this, but I think what Annie does now is completly justified, even if it might not be the right thing to do.
I'm impressed. This is not a one-sided argument. Both have points and both are wrong - at the same time. I like it, yessir.
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Post by caelo on Nov 22, 2010 13:50:51 GMT
I'm for Reynard never entering pocket size mode again. He can be such a dolt. I mean really I don't think anyone in there right mind offends someone for failing at saving the life of someone, especially after 12 years of dedication.On the other hand I think Reynard feels that Anthony let Surma die and in that case well we can understand where he's coming from. Anyone else notes the heated discussion on the emotions of 2' wolf doll.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 22, 2010 14:00:02 GMT
Maybe wild speculation, but what if Surma's condition was hereditary? It has been formspring'd that to the best of Antony's knowledge Surma's illness couldn't have been passed to Antimony genetically. However, he didn't know exactly what the illness was. If it had something to do with being a medium or from something etheric Remains To Be Seen. Y'know what they say 'Familiarity breeds contempt'Agree. I find this proverb is easier to apply in my own life: Familiarity minus respect equals contempt. A good number of times I've used that formula to figure out that someone who may have liked me didn't actually respect me. Though in this case I think Antimony and Renard actually do generally respect each other. They've just been living in close quarters for too long to always show it, and sometimes when people get mad they say stuff they later regret (especially if those things are true). People who go into the medical profession often want to save lives. That tends to get beaten out of them after a while of actual practice. It has been formspring'd that he was distant. If he was excessively emotionally reserved then perhaps he was emotionally unavailable from the viewpoint of his little girl but I'm reserving judgment on Anthony's character for the moment.
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Post by paxjax123 on Nov 22, 2010 14:16:01 GMT
"W-What?" "She. Never. Loved. You. It was a lie, it was all a trick from the court to get you as a prisoner."
That's how the next page appears in my head. This is gonna be messy.
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Post by Yin on Nov 22, 2010 14:28:51 GMT
I'll offer this perspective from a discussion my friend and I had over this page.
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