[794] We didn't think he would kill someone

When Coyote split the Court from the Forest..?

Yeah

I guess Annie's gotten more comfortable asking adults for advice. What started this discussion?

I love how we labor to build all these theories and then a single page from Tom crashes them in one fell swoop.
And them we start all over again.

My question now is, is the current Renard aware that he was being manipulated by Court/Surma?

Well that was kind of an unexpected little bomb... I mean it's one thing for Renard to love Surma and want to woo her, is a bit of another thing for Surma to actually play off that.

Granted they didn't necessarily want to him imprisoned in the court, but they had little choice after he wound up killing someone to do it.

Whoa. This is one hell of a surprise, though I'm glad Tom added more to Surma than just "She was fiery, pretty and liked by most".

I'm bothered by how people are so very quick to call Surma names here and such. I would have to go back and look to see if it's any of the same people who said bad things about Jeanne because she -didn't- do the job the Court asked of her.

Surma had a job to do and she did it. In Ties, we saw that the Forest was a credible threat... one of its creatures almost killed Surma, Donny, and Anja. It stands to reason then that 10 years later, if the Court said that Renard was dangerous, that she would believe it.

I mean how many people actually thought Surma reciprocated Rey's feelings, before reading this chapter? How would that have even been possible? I don't see how this changes Surma's character at all.

Well... That's saddening. I was really hoping for something less cruel from Surma. Hopefully this is an inaccurate interpretation of the past.

It doesn't change her character at all, really, since we didn't know too much of it anyway.

However it still makes her a



BLUH BLUH.


Also, it's pretty terrible when your job description is "impartial medium" and yet you play for one side.

eh i find that to be a bit of an exaggeration...
We know Surma wanted to attract Renard to the court, however that does not necessarily mean she meant to imprison him. The original intention could have been that they wanted Renard to leave the forest and join the court... Unfortunatly things would fly south when Renard, unexpectedly, winds up killing someone to get into the court, as such a murder would consitute punishment... Really as far as we can see, her only crime in this case is leading Renard on; it's a dickish thing to do but its not really all that horrible.

Now it would be a different story if she knew that the court intended to imprison Renard from the beginning

But a really big WHAT! is that the site is offline. ):

EDIT: Tried it on different browser and computers, it seems like the site is really off...

Coyote is good in the sense that he is good at what he does. That is, make tricks and eventually get his way. I think that's what was meant.

An interesting twist indeed! ;D

I wonder what Surma's thoughts were on being requested to do this thing by the Court? And hmm, does the fact that they asked her to lead Reynard on preclude her having any feelings of affection for him?

Perhaps she had established a friendship with him already, thus giving the Court the idea, much like how Jeanne's pre-existing love for her elf was the inspiration for the less-than-noble plot to bar the crossing of the Annan Waters. Or perhaps she had not!

Either way, one does wonder what her feelings were on the matter! She doesn't seem like the type to like being told to do something morally shady, particularly to a friend...but on the other hand, if the order came from trusted authority figures, who described Reynard as a dangerous demon, it might have seemed like a downright noble task! Yet if she was friends with him (and other Forest creatures) in the first place, she must have had her doubts anyway...

I suppose we can only wait for more information and see! Certainly we should do so before making any snap judgments. We all remember how popular Diego used to be (and how reviled Jack was for a while), don't we? ;D

In any case, I'm pleased to see more depth added to Surma's character! She's always seemed very effortlessly likable, even "saintly", in her on-screen appearances, and yet Eglamore made mention of her deliberately breaking rules and getting away with it. It will be interesting to (hopefully) get some in-depth explanation of her actions and motivations in a morally complex situation!

Mehhhh, I figure leading a guy on is pretty much bitch territory no matter what your intentions/orders. Face it, y'all: Surma's kind of a dick. Personally I think it's pretty awesome. She was kind of verging into Mary-Sue territory there for awhile.

Yeah, nice to know that she wasn't totally perfect ... I guess. I think it's important to note, though, that the situation turned out differently (and apparently a lot worse) than they expected; also, Mrs Donlan's not being specific about what they were going to do once they lured Renard into the Court.

And on a side note, I'm extremely curious as to why Mrs Donlan said that Coyote was desperately trying to give his powers to Renard.