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Post by Snes on Oct 6, 2010 7:02:31 GMT
[783]I find Annie's comment on Jeanne's emotion sharing not being fair just a tad odd. That's not the phrase I would have chosen to describe it.
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Post by Max on Oct 6, 2010 7:03:41 GMT
So...does this mean Parley thinks Jeanne was holding back?
Also, I really think Parley looks cute in the last panel.
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Post by Casey on Oct 6, 2010 7:06:38 GMT
Parley's comment, combined with Jeanne's "A fine strike, fille", make me wonder. Do you think Parley's trying to imply that Jeanne let them live, or at least didn't go after them as hard as she could have? What could that possibly mean in the bigger picture? Was she testing them?
And to Annie's comment: Why DID Jeanne memory-dump on them? How much of that full-body-flashback was Jeanne's doing, and how much of it was Parley's etheric abilities? She's never touched a ghost before, maybe she drew the memories from Jeanne rather than Jeanne pushing the memories to them.
Very, very interesting. As always, one answer elicits 5 more questions... C'est si bon!
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Post by eightyfour on Oct 6, 2010 7:11:06 GMT
I'm with Max and Casey here.
If she could've killed them at will, why didn't she? A wrathful apparition like her doesn't go and randomly pours her heart (or what's left of it) onto whoever she happens to meet. Why did she do that?
Speculation: She is sick and tired of being stuck down there and even more so sick and tired of being angry. She wants to be saved and realizes (maybe only subconsciously) that Annie and/or Parley would be able to do it.
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Post by Eddy on Oct 6, 2010 7:21:42 GMT
Random note: I believe I see Jeanne's sword in the third treatise. It didn't look like a fencer's sword before, but looking at the sword ghost Jeanne was wielding as well as the one laid upon her corpse, I think they match.
But man, having all those emotions, all of those experiences dumped into the girls' minds. That's enough to give anyone serious problems for a long period of time. Especially experiencing the betrayal and Jeanne and Elfboy's more intimate moments near simultaneously.
I hope they manage to cope.
Looks like Smitty and Parley have perhaps opened up just a bit to each other, though. So... silver lining?
Still wondering why Jeanne didn't go for the kill outright if she's as good as Parley said.
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Post by Rex on Oct 6, 2010 7:22:29 GMT
Gotta go with the flow here. That comment from Parley definitely makes it sound like Jeanne (or some part of her) held back against them. What's with Annie's lines, though? She looks like she's taking this worse than Parley.
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Post by camo on Oct 6, 2010 7:34:10 GMT
[783]I find Annie's comment on Jeanne's emotion sharing not being fair just a tad odd. That's not the phrase I would have chosen to describe it. I think she refers to Jeanne's attack on Parley. Parley's comment, combined with Jeanne's "A fine strike, fille", make me wonder. Do you think Parley's trying to imply that Jeanne let them live, or at least didn't go after them as hard as she could have? What could that possibly mean in the bigger picture? Was she testing them? Perhaps it was about Parley fighting for her love, for her feelings and also for her friends (not to speak of her life) which Jeanne didn't do in her time. She was a warrior, she could have fought her way out of that place. she could have fought against the oppression of the court, but she didn't. She tried to sneek away at night instead and walked into the trap like the lamb to the slaughter. Perhaps she let Parley live, because she recognized, that Parley deserved her feelings, because she is willing to fight for them even against an overwhelming opponent as Jeanne herself.
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Post by Refugee on Oct 6, 2010 7:35:59 GMT
Kat and Smitty mirror each other's postures. But Smitty brushes the tears from Parley's cheek, and Parley puts her hand on Smitty's shoulder. Ilike that.
Annie's eye makeup is the best in the world. Doesn't run despite copious tears.
"A ghost shouldn't do that."
But...OK for a live person?
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Oct 6, 2010 8:06:24 GMT
Panels 1&2 are sweet!
I think they will recover just fine - they have each other to talk about it with.
The way the last panel has the question hang there makes me think maybe Parley knows something about someone named Jeanne.
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Oct 6, 2010 8:11:04 GMT
Poor Smitty has no idea what's going on. At least Kat knows about Jeanne.
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Post by maestro on Oct 6, 2010 9:21:14 GMT
[783]I find Annie's comment on Jeanne's emotion sharing not being fair just a tad odd. That's not the phrase I would have chosen to describe it. She could be referring to what happened to Jeanne, not that Jeanne shared it with them. What happened to Jeanne most definitely was not fair.
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Post by legion on Oct 6, 2010 9:32:09 GMT
Incoming revelation time maybe?
Parley seems to recover quickly, Smith is definitely good at making order out of chaos!
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Post by sakyru on Oct 6, 2010 9:34:00 GMT
I think Parley turned out very pretty in this strip overall.
I agree with Rex that Parley seems to be regaining her composure faster than Annie, but then again we're not as used to seeing Annie display strong emotion.
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Post by thecurator on Oct 6, 2010 10:06:11 GMT
I really like the facial features here, especially Smitty's adorable face in panel 2. I also like his face upon hearing of the possibility of having his love interest and friend skewered by a fencer.
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Post by blinkerstoned on Oct 6, 2010 10:32:06 GMT
The site seems to be down for me...any mirror sites?
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Post by theweatherman on Oct 6, 2010 11:47:19 GMT
Me too. It is a triple bummer
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Post by blinkerstoned on Oct 6, 2010 11:48:20 GMT
It's even more terrible than Boxbot.
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Post by Alexandragon on Oct 6, 2010 12:04:41 GMT
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Post by todd on Oct 6, 2010 12:33:10 GMT
Now it's working for me again. I don't know what happened, though Tom's mentioned recent site problems.
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Post by n3m0 on Oct 6, 2010 12:34:00 GMT
I'd definitely go with the testing hypothesis.
You don't go sharing your story if you plan to kill someone - you share because you're lonely. Not being able to hold back any details could either be from Parley's ability or because Jeanne couldn't help but share everything after having been stuck down there for so long with no one to talk to.
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Post by rebecca on Oct 6, 2010 12:36:54 GMT
I took Annie's line as being that a ghost shouldn't be able to attack and almost kill them. I mean, she was snipped before, which came as a major shock, but that wasn't a homicidal attack. I don't think Annie has seen ghosts that intend to harm her - the vast majority of supernatural creatures she's encountered have been her friends.
Plus, if she went down there with the intent of facing Jeanne and figuring out a way to help her, being attacked would be totally unexpected - if Parley hadn't come along when she did, Annie would have been trapped as long as Jeanne held the blinker stone, and who knows what Jeanne's intentions would have been?
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Post by jayne on Oct 6, 2010 12:50:48 GMT
Annie is responding emotionally, "she shouldn't have done that" (I'm guessing that's in response to what Parley said.. she shouldn't have let them feel all that raw emotion)
Parley looks like she's working something out... "But... a fencer like that could have killed us in a heartbeat... " It doesn't seem to be in response to what Annie said, more like... "why DIDN'T she kill us..??"
Possible inner dialog: "She's a very skilled fencer.... Did she let us go? Why would she do that? Maybe my skills really have improved to the point where I could handle her?"
Okay guys... GO TELL JONES!!!!
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Post by aaroncampbell on Oct 6, 2010 13:05:01 GMT
I think maybe Annie's comment, "She shouldn't have done that... a ghost shouldn't do that... it's not fair..." is in regards to Jeanne trapping them by taking the blinker stone.
Given that a ghost knows what it's like to be etherically stuck in a place, it would be especially mean and wrong to do that to a living person who is using a blinker stone.
I think Annie is still shaken up in that panel by the feeling of being trapped outside of her own body, stuck in a place against her will. She's right, it's not fair and Jeanne should not have done that.
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Post by La Goon on Oct 6, 2010 13:37:03 GMT
I took Annie's line to mean that it's unfair that Jeanne's ghost was manipulated into that behaviour.
I don't think Annie and Parley is meant to be having a dialogue on this page. To me it looks like they're just rambling each on their own, until Kat mentions Jeanne's name.
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Post by q3 on Oct 6, 2010 13:39:59 GMT
Annie has had a lot of experience with ghosts, and does not think of them as even slightly scary. Surma had even more, and was confident that encountering one, even one trapped in this world by his confusion and terror, wouldn't be dangerous. For a ghost to pose a serious threat appears to be unheard of, which would explain Annie's confusion and frustration regarding Jeanne's attack. She absolutely did not expect this.
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Post by mojojojo on Oct 6, 2010 14:08:53 GMT
Parley's comment, combined with Jeanne's "A fine strike, fille", make me wonder. Do you think Parley's trying to imply that Jeanne let them live, or at least didn't go after them as hard as she could have? What could that possibly mean in the bigger picture? Was she testing them? I read it as meaning Jeanne let them go. There is precedent - when Annie met her before she didn't immediately go for a killing stroke, instead giving her a cut. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=143Theory 1 - Jeanne has been bound as a guardian of the Annan waters, but is not a willing parpicipant. She's able to exert enough control to avoid a killing stroke. Theory 2 - maybe she can't really do anything. What's the effect of having your etheric form stabbed with an etheric sword anyway? Maybe her only weapon is terror, and much like the fire of the boy who played with matches it disappears if faced. The cut on Annies cheek sort of undermines this though. But then she apparently did that in the "real" world... but it resulted in an etheric cut... gah.
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Post by secondofnone on Oct 6, 2010 14:39:08 GMT
Theory 2 - maybe she can't really do anything. What's the effect of having your etheric form stabbed with an etheric sword anyway? Maybe her only weapon is terror, and much like the fire of the boy who played with matches it disappears if faced. The cut on Annies cheek sort of undermines this though. But then she apparently did that in the "real" world... but it resulted in an etheric cut... gah. I rather like this theory: a ghost has no power over you but what you allow it. The cut actually supports the theory, I think. Annie certainly believed she had been cut, and saw what seemed to be blood, but later discovered that she had no cut. The cut then was an attempt to scare Annie, and might have worked if not for Kat's timely arrival. On George and Andrew, they seem to have gotten past the awkwardness brought on by George's teleporting them all to her bedroom, to the point where they're speaking to each other at least.
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Post by aegis on Oct 6, 2010 14:44:04 GMT
I would suggest that when Annie says "A ghost shouldn't be able to do that" she means the beaming of information into their minds. Usually she would just talk to a spirit and work out what happened, but this time it was overwhelmingly forced on her. Something tells me there is more to it than Jeanne just being an angry arrow-energy-bound ghost. (the make-up theory seems to apply here)
Also whenever a spirit showed her something (like that boy at Good Hope and his fire lizard) it was never actually real or harmful. Jeanne could hurt or kill her inside or out of the etherium, and knows how she died (unlike the boy) so that turns things on their head.
Side note: I say Annie takes Renard next time so we can have an even more colorful battle!
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Post by Casey on Oct 6, 2010 15:22:19 GMT
I agree with Aegis and Jayne who said that Annie's "not fair" lines refer to Jeanne forcing all those emotions, for which Annie is not old enough to be properly equipped to handle, onto them. I'm trying to thing of a proper word in English or a concept to explain the idea of "forcing someone to feel something they haven't willingly agreed to" without using crass terms, but essentially that's what the mental dump amounts to.
One of the reasons why this encounter with Jeanne may not have been the same as the times that she has carried out her guard duty and slain the few people that have ever tried to cross the river (this according to Tom) is because this is the first time, presumably, that Jeanne has encountered humans such as herself who are there purely etherically. When she met Annie the first time, it was Annie in her physical form. Now she is only seeing Annie and Parley in their etheric forms. Maybe that's part of why Jeanne reacted differently.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Oct 6, 2010 15:28:55 GMT
I suppose that "mind rape" is the term you were thinking about? It's the term usually used in SF discussions for such scenarios I think, though I agree it may be a bit crass.
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