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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Jul 7, 2010 7:05:19 GMT
NEW PAGE!Huh. Why did this one wait five minutes to load up?
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Post by Snes on Jul 7, 2010 7:07:10 GMT
An epic tale of betrayal!
I guess friendship with robots isn't that unheard of to the Court staff.
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Post by judgedeadd on Jul 7, 2010 7:08:33 GMT
Murderer!! Assassin!! Back-stabber, throat-cutter!!
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Jul 7, 2010 7:10:20 GMT
Ah, but what about the manual? See #663! |
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Post by joephlommin on Jul 7, 2010 7:10:24 GMT
Juliette how could you!
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 7, 2010 7:10:44 GMT
Interesting. A robot that isn't childlike, and seems to have a very well developed sense of sarcasm and humor. I think I understand people's outrage at Jack's "killing" of guard-bot now.
Also, that's an interesting way to spell Juliet, I mean, err, Juliette.
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Post by edzepp on Jul 7, 2010 7:10:59 GMT
Paper Wads! My one true weakness!
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Post by eightyfour on Jul 7, 2010 7:11:26 GMT
Oh c'mon, cut the theatrics. That's not even a flesh-wound.
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Post by jimbobbowilly on Jul 7, 2010 7:13:32 GMT
Oh c'mon, cut the theatrics. That's not even a flesh-wound. Robots don't have flesh. |
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Post by eightyfour on Jul 7, 2010 7:16:20 GMT
Oh c'mon, cut the theatrics. That's not even a flesh-wound. Robots don't have flesh. Exactly my point! ;D |
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Post by polifrog on Jul 7, 2010 7:27:43 GMT
Oh c'mon, cut the theatrics. That's not even a flesh-wound. *arms and legs cut off* Tis only a flesh wound! I guess the two got pretty bored sitting up there. |
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Post by blastdragon on Jul 7, 2010 9:15:18 GMT
I hoped to see another comic about Kat. But this is just as good.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jul 7, 2010 9:30:08 GMT
Ah, but what about the manual? See #663! well, I assume that she's not a student, so that part of the handbook doesn't apply to her. I wasn't crazy about this comic, but I was glad to see it. it reminds me of the "Kat falls asleep at her desk" comic in a sense — Kat milling about, worried about her friend, these two apparently bored to be off-stage like the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern that they are. (sorry Juliette, you're in the wrong play....) also, we know virtually nothing of them except they are useful accomplices to Jones within the story and a combination deus ex machina/ chekhov's gun without. [ and apparently not Margo's mother, although I suppose that doesn't rule out aunt XD ] |
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Post by Adam on Jul 7, 2010 10:53:51 GMT
Ah, but what about the manual? See #663! also, we know virtually nothing of them except they are useful accomplices to Jones within the story and a combination deus ex machina/ chekhov's gun without. Can we please stop bandying this jargon? She can't be both. The essence of Chekhov's gun is "introduced, then is important later". This is the exact opposite of deus ex machina. |
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Post by todd on Jul 7, 2010 11:19:19 GMT
Actually, "Chekhov's gun" means "Every specific detail has to be important in the story". That is, "If you're going to put a gun in the story, it should be fired at some point". It doesn't say that a gun should be introduced some scenes before it is fired.
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Post by Alex on Jul 7, 2010 11:31:13 GMT
Er, no. The exact quote is "If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there." i.e. it is specifically relevant to introducing elements long before they are used.
The first line of the Wikipedia article: Chekhov's Gun is the literary technique whereby an element is introduced early in the story whose significance does not become clear until later on.
So, yeah, the consensus on this one is pretty clear.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jul 7, 2010 11:43:40 GMT
Alex, i think todd is saying the same thing, though he didn't phrase it very well.
What todd is arguing *in addition* is that Chekov's gun refers only to the necessity of not leaving present elements unused, but that this particular rule does NOT force that ALL elements used be previously present.
In short: a gun hanging on the wall should be used. But if there's no gun hanging, the Chekov's Gun rule does NOT mean that someone can't take a previously unseen gun out of a purse or drawer.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Jul 7, 2010 12:40:20 GMT
My reaction to this comic: awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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Post by legion on Jul 7, 2010 13:33:40 GMT
Haha, nice refreshing page.
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Post by phyzome on Jul 7, 2010 14:41:51 GMT
Is that a quote from something?
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Post by damilo on Jul 7, 2010 14:44:03 GMT
Am I the only one who thought the "FLICK" sound effect was a different word when I first saw it?
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Post by Mishmash on Jul 7, 2010 15:23:42 GMT
I like this page because it shows that although the official Court stance seems to be "Robots are below humans and should be reated as such", the staff of the Court are individuals and do not all adhere to it.
Also it is charming and funny.
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 7, 2010 17:03:14 GMT
Better an amateur theater than being bored. I hoped to see another comic about Kat. But this is just as good. What - another KatXJack ship-tease? This time in the Court's infirmary? ;D ... ... Yes. It would be funny. Though maybe will be - the first time it was what, five comics long? Actually, "Chekhov's gun" means "Every specific detail has to be important in the story". That is, "If you're going to put a gun in the story, it should be fired at some point". If a detail wasn't used yet, there will be expectations (which also enables red herrings). That's the Chekhov's gun. I believe "Everything must contain plot points" is called the Law of Conservation of Detail. |
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Post by the bandit on Jul 7, 2010 18:48:33 GMT
Am I the only one who thought the "FLICK" sound effect was a different word when I first saw it? Yes. Pervert.* - - - By all means, let's argue about the exact definition of Chekhov's Gun. That'll avoid admitting that Adam correctly points out that the principles of inserting a detail important to the plot later earlier on in the story is pretty much the opposite of resolving the plot via a world-changing event that was completely untelegraphed in any way. I give it fifteen posts until someone assumes Chekhov's Gun / deus ex machina are TVtropes terminology, too, and then we can have that row. - - - *This accusation of perversion in no way implies anything regarding said pervert's sexual orientation, nor should it be construed as a condemnation of today's power couple's obviously torrid relationship. |
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jul 7, 2010 19:08:37 GMT
In these two cases tvtropes merely uses terminology that has existed a long LONG time. I know you know this so I'm just saying it in case anyone else here doesn't.
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Post by dawngazer on Jul 7, 2010 19:50:01 GMT
This is clearly a declaration of war. Thankfully we anticipated this already. The Soylent Blue you 'people' have been eating? Wh-heh-eeeeell....
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Post by hal9000 on Jul 7, 2010 20:09:41 GMT
Slacking off on the job and flinging office supplies at coworkers? Yep, sounds like a typical day at the office to me ;D.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jul 7, 2010 20:52:14 GMT
In these two cases tvtropes merely uses terminology that has existed a long LONG time. I know you know this so I'm just saying it in case anyone else here doesn't. Thank you Aris, for cutting off what would have been an annoyingly tedious and pointless debate. In the case of deus ex machina, it goes all the way back to ancient Greek theater. And I stand by my original comment. Juliette was introduced in comic 723 and given seemingly nothing to do, but the expectation was that Jones would need her later on in the story (otherwise, why bother to ink and paint that conversation?). Hence: Gun. And, Jones did need her later on. The rain rescued Annie, Zimmy and Gamma and completely ruined spiderJack's plans. But it wasn't Annie or Zimmy who triggered the rain, it was Jones (with Juliette's help) who now has two saving throws in one story under her belt. Right now I'm prepared to call Jones God. The machina could be either the robot or the power plant itself  ;D |
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Post by ih8pkmn on Jul 8, 2010 2:14:57 GMT
Hmm... Juliette... I wonder if the ' bot's name is something like R0-M30(Romeo)
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Post by judgedeadd on Jul 8, 2010 7:08:22 GMT
 A far cry from the good ol' GKC of my day. I'd never thought I'd see such horrific violence in the comic! I'm going to have nightmares! Tom, how could you?!, think about the children!! |
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