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Post by Snes on Jun 23, 2010 7:00:17 GMT
[738]...*sigh* Okay, so you wakcos were right all along. 
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Post by fr4tbrn on Jun 23, 2010 7:02:53 GMT
fake rain is helping?
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Post by edzepp on Jun 23, 2010 7:02:57 GMT
It's been a while since we last saw happy Zimmy, so this is nice.
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Post by Fen on Jun 23, 2010 7:06:33 GMT
Or given that it's helping, it probably isn't fake. |
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Post by mudmaniac on Jun 23, 2010 7:08:05 GMT
Could be that operational parameters of power station changed on Ms. Jones' orders to reverse extraction process. Ether component reintroduced into airborne vapour creating condensate that falls like normal rain. Should help stabilize abilities of subject Zeta. Results promising.
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Post by Pixievolt No. 1 on Jun 23, 2010 7:08:33 GMT
Wow, a straight-up answer to who was who and who wasn't real? Now that's a surprise. Now if only we knew how the pink-haired girl on page 730 knew that Jack was looking for Zimmy. |
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Post by Casey on Jun 23, 2010 7:10:21 GMT
I've been back and re-read the whole part since Annie entered the roof area, and still there are things that don't make sense to me.
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Post by squidlet on Jun 23, 2010 7:16:56 GMT
That's such a beautiful image of Zimmy. Not only does she look happy, but she's looks peaceful. ;D
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Post by Rex on Jun 23, 2010 7:18:11 GMT
Awesome handling on Tom's part. I really like the Zannie and the view in panel 1, and Zimmy's relieved look in the last one. Oh and the fake clothing/appearances washing away is a nice effect too.
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Post by mithrandir on Jun 23, 2010 7:25:30 GMT
My theory:
With the etheric overcharge from the station, Zimmy and Annie ended up being psychically linked; the two retained their personalities but exchanged memories and priorities (and appearances).
The result is someone who looks like Annie and tries to do what Annie wants to do (find and save Jack from Himself), but does it in a Zimmy-like way, and someone who looks like Zimmy and tries to do what Zimmy wants to do (find and protect Gamma at all costs) but in an Annie-like way.
What snapped them out of it was Zimmy-pretending-to-be-Annie seeing Annie-pretending-to-be-Zimmy clutching at Gamma. This eventually burned through Zimmy's delusion that she was Annie, causing her to remember that she was actually Zimmy after all.
I'm still not sure how it is that the rain came at that same moment - but it's possible that the first few drops of the rain were the thing that actually burned through the illusion (and Zimmy, being the most sensitive to the rain, felt the effects first).
In other news, fortunately, it seems that memory-Jack managed to not get absorbed by spiderJack. Whether spiderJack has any hope of recovery from his psychic spider infestation is yet to be seen, although the fact that Zimmy is smiling at someone who isn't Gamma gives me hope for Jack.
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Post by Kuraimizu on Jun 23, 2010 7:26:44 GMT
So why did the fake rain Help this Time? I wonder.
also Was Jack trying to get Back to normal? or to corrupt another version?
At least Zimmy is feeling better. Though gamma is still shaking things off.
I wonder how Annie is going to react now that the illusion is gone?
And Will Jack stay or flee?
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Post by Rex on Jun 23, 2010 7:27:46 GMT
Well, if Zimmy walks over to Spider-Jack and helps him it'll be the first time she's ever done anything helpful for anyone other than Gamma. Seeing her like she is now though, I can see it happening.
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 23, 2010 7:41:51 GMT
I've been back and re-read the whole part since Annie entered the roof area, and still there are things that don't make sense to me. Same here and I suspect that there can't be a complete explanation to tie up all the loose ends. It's becoming more of a comic and less of a novel. This often happens when comic-novel writers read their fans' comments before they finish the novel. I continue to read it for the art and entertainment, but no longer expect it to follow the conventions of reasonableness or internal integrity that a novel has to have. Of course, I still felt like crying when I saw Zimmy getting healed. I suppose Jack is a hero now. |
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Post by centzontotochtin on Jun 23, 2010 7:46:08 GMT
HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Oh wow.
In this exciting episode of Gunnerkrigg court: Jack finally sees eye-to-eye with the Trix rabbit.
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Post by Naamah on Jun 23, 2010 7:50:12 GMT
I've been back and re-read the whole part since Annie entered the roof area, and still there are things that don't make sense to me. Same here and I suspect that there can't be a complete explanation to tie up all the loose ends. It's becoming more of a comic and less of a novel. This often happens when comic-novel writers read their fans' comments before they finish the novel. I continue to read it for the art and entertainment, but no longer expect it to follow the conventions of reasonableness or internal integrity that a novel has to have. Of course, I still felt like crying when I saw Zimmy getting healed. I suppose Jack is a hero now. I don't think that's true. Just because Tom hasn't answered everything yet doesn't mean he won't. He's said in the past that every question he poses will eventually be answered. Patience is a much needed virtue with this chapter. And I don't think anyone is going to think of Jack as a hero. In fact, at best an innocent bystander turned victim, at worst the whole reason everything went wonky. I think the rain was triggered by Jones & Co., like an "end exercise" or something. At least one of the functions of the power station, I bet, is to cool down people like Zimmy. It might've not worked the first time for many reasons...more tests to be done, more things to be tweaked. Or Jack might have fiddled with something and gotten it to where it does successfully perform a Zimmy cool down. |
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Post by nijimei on Jun 23, 2010 8:10:49 GMT
It seems that the "switch" happened when Annie first crossed the door into Zimmingham, as seen on www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=729 where the first thing she sees is Zimmy in blank whiteness, and as Zimmy runs off into the alley it transitions into Zimmingham. My theory is that as both girls tunred the corner they changed bodies in Zimmy's mind. That's why as soon as we see Gamma we can see her telepathic speech. This is also proven by Memory!Jack commenting on how "Zimmy" can make the faceless people vaporize www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=732, as we remember from the last time we were at the power station, only Annie and Gamma (I believe) can help Zimmy with them. Actually, noting both character's actions, things do make sense now. I apologize if someone has made this case in previous threads, but it helped myself with the understanding  |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 23, 2010 8:11:15 GMT
Thoughts:
1) The song "I can see clearly now, the rain is gone" is stuck in my head.
2) I bet Tea-San would be a master at Three-Card Monty, the way he masterfully misdirected us and swapped characters around.
3) I want to hear Annie's explanation to Kat of what happened. I'll bet what she thought happened differs greatly than what the viewer saw.
That's it for now. Sorry, nothing too serious. Maybe later.
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Post by basser on Jun 23, 2010 8:12:12 GMT
That last Zimmy expression looks a lot like a bemused "hmmm, now where exactly am I?" Like she's pretty puzzled overall but hey it's raining so no need to make a fuss. "Hey, Gamma? Why are we on a roof?" Edit: Also this is completely bad and so wrong but this is literally all I can see when I look at that strange/awkward placement of Annie's hand in the last panel:  GAMMA HOW COULD YOU.(Please say I'm not the only one who thought this.) |
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Post by Nicer Atom on Jun 23, 2010 8:20:49 GMT
Or given that it's helping, it probably isn't fake. I really don't think it's fake. The lake looks like it is filled with water. There is no way it could already look like that if the rain has just started. |
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Post by CGAdam on Jun 23, 2010 8:24:13 GMT
At least I can stop feeling like Charlton Heston now.
"Soylent Green is people!"
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Post by mojojojo on Jun 23, 2010 8:29:21 GMT
Wow, a straight-up answer to who was who and who wasn't real? Now that's a surprise. Now if only we knew how the pink-haired girl on page 730 knew that Jack was looking for Zimmy. But she didn't know Jack was looking for her - as was pointed out at the time, she only knows what he looks like. And Jack has been looking for Zimmy for months, and Jack thinks she has been deliberately avoiding him, so it seems likely Zimmy knows a boy in a green coat with grey hair is looking for her. As for how she knew Jack was near by, I don't know. But we didn't see everything - there was some time before Annie got to the roof, and it's possible Zimmy saw Jack then. So - it looks like the spider failed to get the last memory of Jack, but is still aorund. Jack and the spider are still a threat/need help. |
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Post by lucifiel on Jun 23, 2010 8:42:48 GMT
Poor Jack... I hope the spider goes away soon 'cos it'd really suck to have a Psycho Jack running around for the rest of the storyline.  |
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Post by Zayzie on Jun 23, 2010 9:04:35 GMT
My theory: With the etheric overcharge from the station, Zimmy and Annie ended up being psychically linked; the two retained their personalities but exchanged memories and priorities (and appearances). The result is someone who looks like Annie and tries to do what Annie wants to do (find and save Jack from Himself), but does it in a Zimmy-like way, and someone who looks like Zimmy and tries to do what Zimmy wants to do (find and protect Gamma at all costs) but in an Annie-like way. The Zimmy look-a-like did not have protecting Gamma as a first priority, if you remember she went after Jack first, and if she ran right by Gamma probably completely ignored Gamma. Someone else mentioned Zimmy was ignoring Jack, so I think Zimmy probably has a good idea of what's wrong with spider-jack, and probably refused to do anything about it until the rooftop illusion, where she may have thought she could've done something, if only she were more like Annie. Otherwise, Annie-appearing-as-Zimmy has been the naturally protective Annie she's always been, always taking the problem head-on. The only reason she started protecting Gamma towards the end was because Zimmy-appearing-as-Annie was getting rough and offensive with Gamma. Gamma was the one who took shelter behind Zimmy-appearing-as-Annie, probably because she wasn't sure what was going on. |
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Post by psibakaonna on Jun 23, 2010 9:24:29 GMT
Otherwise, Annie-appearing-as-Zimmy has been the naturally protective Annie she's always been, always taking the problem head-on. The only reason she started protecting Gamma towards the end was because Zimmy-appearing-as-Annie was getting rough and offensive with Gamma. Gamma was the one who took shelter behind Zimmy-appearing-as-Annie, probably because she wasn't sure what was going on. There might be a second, smaller reason for the protectiveness of Annie towards Gamma. Annie is naturally inquisitive so I imagine when Zimmy/Annie ran into the spider's nest after Jack, Annie/zimmy would have asked Gamma why she was so afraid of the building and might just have received a cliffnotes version of why spider = bad (in which case I'd hope we'd get a glimpse of it in upcoming pages). Annie in return promises to protect Gamma as they go and save Jack and Zimmy/annie from themselves. I sincerly doubt this would have happened considering the time frame or even that Tom would show it if it did happen, but I like to think some sort of heart-felt plea to help Zimmy occured before the two girls caught up. |
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jun 23, 2010 9:31:00 GMT
...how did he misdirect us, when from the very start he had a character saying that the person we saw as Annie was in reality Zimmy, and then it was revealed that it indeed was Zimmy?
We weren't misdirected. We were directed accurately to the right conclusion, and many of us accepted those directions, instead of second-guessing it (like others did).
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jun 23, 2010 9:42:05 GMT
The wackos were those who insisted that the real Annie was the same as the fanged telepathy-receiving jealous person that Gamma identified as a confused Zimmy.
Truly sorry for being a bit pissy about this, but we were mocked or even psychoanalyzed for our "wild theories" (we supposedly held the theory because we *wanted* it to be true, because it would give insight to Zimmy's personality or the Zimmy & Gamma relationship or whatever) when our so-called wild theories merely entailed accepting Gamma's judgment of the situation and seeing very plain things for what they were.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 23, 2010 9:59:03 GMT
...how did he misdirect us, when from the very start he had a character saying that the person we saw as Annie was in reality Zimmy, and then it was revealed that it indeed was Zimmy? We weren't misdirected. We were directed accurately to the right conclusion, and many of us accepted those directions, instead of second-guessing it (like others did). directed? really? so when Annie entered into crazyland we were supposed to instinctively know that the person in panels 1-4 wasn't the same person as the person in panels 5 onwards? Because I can honestly say that it was never clear to me. Gamma could've been delusional. or a figment of somebody's imagination. or, consider this comic. Zimmy/Annie is genuinely concerned for Zimmy's safety. but, we've never been given any indication that Zimmy was aware that Jack was looking for her, so where did she get that information from? In HINDSIGHT, it looks perfectly obvious. but Tea-San has left the audience in the dark before (in fact, that has been one of the enduring features of the Web comic, its essential mysteriousness) and I think in this particular case, he has been very misleading. the fact that some people's wild guesses/ educated guesses hit the mark, while other people missed, means NOTHING. the fact that dozens of theories were hatched from this maze.... means everything. so congratulations and a round of "I toldja so" to those who guessed correctly. you deserve a chocolate cake.  |
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jun 23, 2010 10:26:05 GMT
The story hasn't yet explained or indicated at which exact point the switch or merging occurred. If you're making a guess about it, it's not one that I made or claimed.
The things that are obvious now, were obvious in advance for MANY of us. The things that we don't know yet (for example *why* Zimmy thought she was Annie, or why she knew she had to find and help Jack), they're still not obvious whether in hindsight or in foresight.
One failure of mine at guessing: I thought Gamma would also be a memory. Other than that: "NOT a sim", "Annie is Zimmy", "Zimmy is Annie": correct in the general sense, still waiting for the more specific guesses to be proven right or wrong.
So say the people who missed.
That *some* people make guesses so wild that they cover every point of the dartboard doesn't mean that those who hit bullseye 3 times out of 4 did so by accident. Perhaps we hit the bullseye because we actually tried to apply logic and think consistently.
We just deserve not getting called wackos next time.
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Post by wanderer on Jun 23, 2010 10:27:45 GMT
...how did he misdirect us, when from the very start he had a character saying that the person we saw as Annie was in reality Zimmy, and then it was revealed that it indeed was Zimmy? We weren't misdirected. We were directed accurately to the right conclusion, and many of us accepted those directions, instead of second-guessing it (like others did). If he'd wanted it to be clear who was who he wouldn't have done the switch up in the first place. Understand, I was one of those who accurately guessed what was happening. I said Annie was Zimmy and Zimmy was Annie etc. But that does not mean that Tom was not misdirecting us and trying to confuse us. He very much was. This was a mind-screw situation, and make no mistake about that. This is true. This place is designed to spawn theories, and we shouldn't be ridiculing people for following that design. So, the spider has failed. Zimmy is temporarily healed again, and perhaps in this state for the first time can actually do something about that spider. The look on her face makes me hope that there may be a chance of saving Jack. |
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Post by nikita on Jun 23, 2010 10:35:31 GMT
We weren't misdirected. We were directed accurately to the right conclusion, and many of us accepted those directions, instead of second-guessing it (like others did). Other theories were just as plausbile at the time. Yours just happened to turn out to be the correct one. It certainly wasn't obvious all along. It's not shown in the comic when the body switching occurred. It is not shown how Gamma suddenly understands English. It's not clear how Zimmy knew that Jack was looking for her. Yeah you were right and I'll mail you a cookie if you want ;D but saying we were clearly led to this conclusion is a bit bold  PS: We just deserve not getting called wackos next time. Yep. |
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