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Post by yazzydream on Dec 18, 2009 8:07:25 GMT
658What really gets me is how... there's no remorse whatsoever. Diego didn't so anything! I'm really disgusted.
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Post by Rasselas on Dec 18, 2009 8:09:05 GMT
So matter-of-fact they are, as they condemn a soul to imprisonment for centuries.
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Post by silvardepoch on Dec 18, 2009 8:12:54 GMT
I wonder if there's any significance to the time they've chosen.
Since they waited three hours, Jeanne is either dead by the time the arrow is fired, still alive, or she had to stay down there for three hours because of something related to the Annan Waters (etheric radiation/bleaching?).
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Post by yazzydream on Dec 18, 2009 8:15:21 GMT
You know what also really gets me?! Diego is the one who gave the final word! In the first panel, he's the one who orders the steadman to "ready the device." Since this is from cambot's perspective, assuming he's still in Diego's pocket. I mean, really? Sneaky b*stard. He committed murder without getting his hands dirty.
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Post by penguinfactory on Dec 18, 2009 8:21:04 GMT
..... Do I want to know what just happened? Because thst arrow sure didn't look very sharp....
No wonder Jeanne's spirit is pissed.
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Post by edzepp on Dec 18, 2009 8:22:43 GMT
So, if Steadman is shooting the arrow more or less straight down, what exactly did he hit?
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Post by bisected8 on Dec 18, 2009 8:28:41 GMT
Everyone seems to be assuming that Jeanne was shot with the device, for all we know it was covering fire for her....
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Post by edzepp on Dec 18, 2009 8:36:49 GMT
Yeah, the word 'target' adds a lot of ambiguity to this page. Who knows what her condition was prior to this moment.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 18, 2009 8:45:45 GMT
We learned that it wasn't a noisemaker arrow and that it got used three hours after Jeanne was lowered down that night. Steadman, Young and Diego were there and the cover-up is confirmed. Steadman shot the arrow as predicted.
Usually triangular arrow points are for shooting people and animals. If it wasn't so heavy and specially made I'd guess it was a rope-cutting arrow, therefore my next guess is that it's for cutting something strand-like and etheric.
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Post by helddr on Dec 18, 2009 8:57:40 GMT
The V shaped arrow heads were used in the middle ages for bird hunting as the traditional triangle arrowhead had a tendency to deflect on the feathers. The V arrowhead is sharp on the inside.
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Post by Nicer Atom on Dec 18, 2009 9:42:45 GMT
Has anyone guessed that the arrow was used to anchor Jeanne's soul to the waters, whatever the reason may be? If it was, maybe removing it would release her, or something like that. Also, I'm guessing Sir Young and the others don't know that Matadorbot is filming them. I mean, he was pretty hard to find, but "displayed on a some shelves with the recording for anyone to see" doesn't sound like "buried" to me.
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Post by dliessmgg on Dec 18, 2009 9:49:10 GMT
Is the full moon somehow significant?
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Post by hal9000 on Dec 18, 2009 9:58:52 GMT
Everyone seems to be assuming that Jeanne was shot with the device, for all we know it was covering fire for her.... Since they seem to be leaving her down there and striking her very existence from their records, I think that the only reasonable explanation is that she was the target and was just impaled with a radioactive green arrow of doom, to some lethal effect. I guess this also sates my curiosity about whether or not this incident was recorded in the Court's history.
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Post by sostorm on Dec 18, 2009 10:49:36 GMT
Argh! I can't believe this is the last one before the holidays. Too many questions left!
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Post by Loki on Dec 18, 2009 11:43:58 GMT
I'd actually assume the same as msosb, that they used the arrow to somehow anchor Jeanne's soul to the waters. Maybe she is supposed to keep all forest creatures who venture too close to the Court's side away, forcing them to go over the bridge, by attacking them? She did wound Antimony. While Antimony doesn't got a visible wound, her spirit (maybe?) still got it. For example when she enters Zimmy's "world" or when she uses the Blinker Stone's power to...see/astral project. Maybe Jeanne is now, as Ghost Swordfighter, actually able to hurt and easier kill the forest creatures by attacking them spiritually? And the reason for anchoring her was so that no psychopomp, like Muut, would try taking her over to the afterlife by somehow being able not being attacked by her. ...though I doubt she would stand much chance against Coyote >__> . . . I wonder if Diego rebuild the camerabot after Jeanne destroyed it to better hide it on himself during those meetings. He seems to be pretty good with machines so he might have easily turned the hard to ignore bot to something more easily concealed...like a button on his clothing?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 18, 2009 12:14:18 GMT
The V shaped arrow heads were used in the middle ages for bird hunting as the traditional triangle arrowhead had a tendency to deflect on the feathers. The V arrowhead is sharp on the inside. Could you link me to a resource on that? The only fowling points I know are blunt and a fast google didn't get me anything. I thought I remembered some V-points that were for naval use in medieval times, for cutting ropes in the enemy ship's rigging to make her hard to maneuver.
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Post by coyotagoat on Dec 18, 2009 12:23:13 GMT
About the 3 hours... Could it be possible that they bad to do the deed at midnight? The full moon seems to be hinting towards the etherical nature of this ritual, and as to why they couldn't just lower her down at midnight, well, they seem pretty cautious, and they probly didn't want her to catch wind of the plan. Don't know what midnight would signify, just trying to make sense of the interactions.
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Post by Loki on Dec 18, 2009 12:26:12 GMT
About the 3 hours... Could it be possible that they bad to do the deed at midnight? The full moon seems to be hinting towards the etherical nature of this ritual, and as to why they couldn't just lower her down at midnight, well, they seem pretty cautious, and they probly didn't want her to catch wind of the plan. Don't know what midnight would signify, just trying to make sense of the interactions. But the clock shown in the first panel tells us it is not midnight. ... But the Witching Hour is considered to be at 3 a.m. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witching_hour
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Post by rowanash on Dec 18, 2009 12:48:44 GMT
Good call. I think this whole thing is a bit bizarre... she's obviously there to protect the court in someway. At least this confirms that Sir Young was there for the deed and the one who ordered the cover-up... thus meaning he is "to blame" so to speak and is therefore signified by the Bullbot. It has to be Jeanne the steadman shot as there's nothing much else down there apart from water and rocks, and the odd sucidal fairy. I suspect Coyote knows about Jeanne already... remember when he told Antimony she couldn't trust the court?
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Post by nikita on Dec 18, 2009 13:09:40 GMT
You know what also really gets me?! Diego is the one who gave the final word! In the first panel, he's the one who orders the steadman to "ready the device." Since this is from cambot's perspective, assuming he's still in Diego's pocket. I really think it's Sir Young who says all that. Why should it be Diego?
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Post by rowanash on Dec 18, 2009 13:24:01 GMT
I suspect it is sir young who gives the orders... as the colour of the background on the bit with the watch matches his clothing. oh and just reread this little gem of a page... jones you suspicious person... she so reminds me of scully from x-files... www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=590
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Post by spanky on Dec 18, 2009 13:29:03 GMT
Now this is just some wild speculation, but maybe the arrow was meant to cut some kind of tether that kept something bound to the Annan Waters and it attacked Jeanne? (Maybe I should move this to the Wild Speculation thread, haha.)
I do like to think that the arrow did cut something etheric, (etherical?) though.
Just my two cents.
Edit: Blasted typos.
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Post by quats on Dec 18, 2009 13:46:44 GMT
It has to be Jeanne the steadman shot as there's nothing much else down there apart from water and rocks, and the odd sucidal fairy. That's true now.... but we don't know what it was like then.
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Post by Casey on Dec 18, 2009 13:47:10 GMT
I think it is very important that we all realize the amount of information we are NOT given here.
We have no idea, and really shouldn't speculate, what the "target" really was. We have no idea why Jeanne was necessary. Sure it's fun to speculate, but why tether your opinions to a premise that may prove to be completely wrong?
There are a few things that we do know, though. It's a pretty safe assumption that Jeanne died down in the ravine, since we now know that they lowered her down there, and in modern times, her ghost is down there. That doesn't mean that she was the intended target of the arrow though.
We also know, as we suspected, that this elder Court did deliberately wipe the records of their deeds. But what about the dissenter? He didn't go along with their plan, why would he go along with their coverup? Maybe there's someone around today with whom that information has been passed down and kept. How else will we ever find out what really happened down there? Eventually there will have to be some other avenue through which that information will be revealed.
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Post by dragonsong12 on Dec 18, 2009 14:07:03 GMT
The V shaped arrow heads were used in the middle ages for bird hunting as the traditional triangle arrowhead had a tendency to deflect on the feathers. The V arrowhead is sharp on the inside. Could you link me to a resource on that? The only fowling points I know are blunt and a fast google didn't get me anything. I thought I remembered some V-points that were for naval use in medieval times, for cutting ropes in the enemy ship's rigging to make her hard to maneuver. This was linked on a previous page. The credit is all Rafita's, however.
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Post by rowanash on Dec 18, 2009 14:23:30 GMT
It has to be Jeanne the steadman shot as there's nothing much else down there apart from water and rocks, and the odd sucidal fairy. That's true now.... but we don't know what it was like then. This is true... but also so is this... www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=493 I think you were originally supposed to be able to cross the water... but the court did't like the idea of it... so sent jeanne down?
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Dec 18, 2009 14:54:27 GMT
Young specifically says that they are going to erase any record of Jeanne's existence. If she were still alive and hanging around down there, would they really be doing that? (Although, yes, saying "the target" here does add ambiguity. Or maybe they just said that because saying "did you hit her" emphasizes her humanity and makes it a little harder to bear what they're doing.)
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Post by optern on Dec 18, 2009 15:42:41 GMT
Well, though it raises a lot of questions, I'm glad this page was provided.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 18, 2009 16:45:14 GMT
Could you link me to a resource on that? The only fowling points I know are blunt and a fast google didn't get me anything. I thought I remembered some V-points that were for naval use in medieval times, for cutting ropes in the enemy ship's rigging to make her hard to maneuver. This was linked on a previous page. The credit is all Rafita's, however. Thanks! That's the whistling arrow though- the noise-maker. It looks a heck of a lot like the one Steadman loosed, but Steadman's arrow didn't make any noise. (edit) You know guys, maybe the fact that it didn't make noise doesn't mean it wasn't a signal arrow. It could've made a huge visual sign like the ones Anja makes with the blinker stone and it would've been completely hidden from our perspective and anyone on the Court side. With signal arrows the idea is to shoot them into the ground somewhere safe... so the "target" could have meant that it flew true, made the sign where they wanted, and then landed safely. (/edit) Now this is just some wild speculation, but maybe the arrow was meant to cut some kind of tether that kept something bound to the Annan Waters and it attacked Jeanne? (Maybe I should move this to the Wild Speculation thread, haha.) I do like to think that the arrow did cut something etheric, (etherical?) though. My second thought was that the arrow was to cut Jeanne loose. We know they lowered her down there, presumably with a rope. The problem is that the arrow is over-engineered for just cutting ordinary rope, so for that to be the case it'd have to be magic rope or perhaps Jeanne was lowered with levitation and bound with magic and it cut the magic bonds. I have a similar problem with the simple "it thwacked into Jeanne and killed her" theory because the point's goofy for that purpose... unless she transforms into a bird or something else feathered and equally random. One possibility: It's specially made to cut the silver cord of Jeanne's fate and pin her there. That leaves the matter of her love "the traitor" as a big loose end. If he doesn't drown in the Annan then what happens to him? Since I was expecting him to be the one who gets offered as a sacrifice, and we still have no clue how the heck Jeanne's death contributes to sealing the Annan Waters other than it's a magic arrow of course, I'm not putting any stock into this theory. If I'm proven wrong later then I will be wrong. Second possibility: The arrow did something else that required Jeanne to be down there, be she alive or dead at this moment. You'd think if they were just going to sacrifice her they'd kill her there and then toss her over the edge, or if they needed to be closer to the water for the ritual then they'd all go down there to perform it. That makes me think they don't want to be seen by someone from the Forest side as they set up this nefarious whatever. So, sorry folks but I'm still leaning to wards my theory that she's down there alive as bait for her lover. That'd explain the lack of remorse, as she's not dead yet, just abandoned to her eventual doom (declining any last minute offers of aid by Diego in return for favors). On the upside: Since the last panel was iris-ing out but there was no "end of chapter" mark. We have a chance of getting another scene out of the little 'bot before the mandatory Antimony and Kat freak-out.
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Post by shazam on Dec 18, 2009 17:14:41 GMT
Perhaps 3 hours was enough for the waters themselves to kill Jeanne, and he shot one of the Soul Gatherers like Mut who would have come to take away her soul, which is why Mut was unable to do anything for her. Thus their trapping her
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