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Post by Yin on Oct 27, 2008 6:54:50 GMT
And he returns. Or rather, they visit. So who wants to work out which stick figure's who?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 27, 2008 7:02:09 GMT
At the bottom, the one with the lead symbol is probably Eglamore, and the one with the antimony symbol and its head the color of Annie's hair is probably Jack.
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Post by edzepp on Oct 27, 2008 7:07:17 GMT
Woo, that was quick. Hell yeah! Let's go see that Coyote.
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Post by zingbat on Oct 27, 2008 7:11:04 GMT
I thought the one with the antimony symbol and reddish head might be Surma, and that maybe we'll get some backstory on their... well, backstory. We know Coyote was fond of Surma, and he seems like he might be more forthcoming with the info than grumpy ol' Reynardine.
EDIT: I wonder about the figure on the other side of the river, the canine-looking one with the zigzag arm. Ysengrin? Coyote himself? An earlier incarnation of Reynardine? Some other dude?
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Post by Count Casimir on Oct 27, 2008 7:11:44 GMT
Two words:
FIRETRUCK YES!
Contributing a bit more: this ought to be dang awesome. Anything to do with the week-long camping trip, perhaps? When will that come up if ever?
Also, I'm looking forward to this chapter because as someone (was it you, edzepp?) said, there's a high probability there will be Jones madness to come, due to Annie needing to talk to her before heading into the forest.
EDIT: good call, shovel. Looks like Eggers is represented as well; maybe we'll get some backstory of their time together. The wiggly arm guy on the other side of the river looks to be good ol' Ys to me.
EDIT TWICE: that'll teach me to not read the posts before mine. Mezz, I agree with shovel that the redhead one is possibly Surma, though there's a high possibility that it's Annie as well.
EDIT THRICE: For a fanboy, I'm awfully dense. Look at the red-headed one's outfit: we've seen that green skirt a few times in the recent past. I suppose this probably means we'll be seeing the relationship of THOSE two instead.
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Post by edzepp on Oct 27, 2008 7:15:04 GMT
I don't believe I said that, Count. But still, this ought to be great.
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Post by Refugee on Oct 27, 2008 8:52:49 GMT
I automatically took the red-haired figure to be Annie, but then realized her presence can probably be assumed. It has a halo, though, and I'm thinking that might mean it's Annie's Mom's spirit. I'm guessing the gear indicates that something was left over from the bird whose body grew into the bank[278] before -- or that Ysengrin (the one with the arm-branch) still harbors resentment over that incident. Why do we care what direction the water flows in? The black figures under the trees are probably the shadow people[14]. (They remind me of Gamma's guardians in the toy shop.)
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Post by Rasselas on Oct 27, 2008 8:57:34 GMT
So, from top downwards, I see the Moon with an eye and the Sun, or are those the Court and Gilitie Forest symbols? Then there's our favorite prankster, Coyote, below him it's the forest and what seems like an audience of shadow-people. Then there is Ysengrin, with his twisty arm. Below him, it's the river and the bridge with its bright lights. What do the cogwheel and the arrow mean? Perhaps Ysengrin is reaching for the cogwheel, impending destruction? Below, it's Annie and Eglamore with some swords (one of them lit up and ready to use, like in a video game). They both have the symbol of bismuth on them, which there was an explanation for in the chapter where Annie meets Jones but I can't remember what it was. There are eyes all over the picture, maybe they symbolize answers or insight? The moon (forest?) has one, the shadow men are standing on them, and Annie has one either above her head or it's in the river. Though only the Moon's eye appears to be a seeing one, but *that* might be nitpicking now. I'd just like to repeat that, if I recall correctly, Tom said somewhere that this chapter was probably the most fun to write. Great way to kick off the ride, I never thought that looking into all the symbols could be that much fun.
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Post by etcetera on Oct 27, 2008 8:58:13 GMT
YES! WOOHOOOO!! XD
And I love how much you can find on those drawings! From top to bottom: The moon and the sun, Coyote, the forest with the shadow people, Ysengrin (who else could have arms like this?), Annan Waters with the dead bird (cogwheel) on one shore and the Ghost of Jeane (bright light) on the other, and finally the Court (bismuth symbols) with Eglamore (lead symbol and lots of swords) and Annie (antimony symbol) (or maybe Surma). Even the bridge with the bright lights and the direction the river flows are in the picture. That made my day.
EDIT: One minute earlier, Rasselas. Argh.
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Post by penguinfactory on Oct 27, 2008 9:04:11 GMT
EDIT: I wonder about the figure on the other side of the river, the canine-looking one with the zigzag arm. Ysengrin? Coyote himself? An earlier incarnation of Reynardine? Some other dude? I'd say Ysengrin. Although if that's true, it means the Antimony figure is probably Annie rather than Surma, because Ysengrin didn't look like that until recently. There are eyes all over the comic Anyways. Thank you very much, Tom, for not doing what other webcomics do and leaving plot threads dangling for years at a time. EDIT: Looking into this more, the symbol to the right of coyote is the one the forest sent as a signal way back when. There are only two elements of the image I can't really decipher: The halo-like thing above Annie's head and the cog. I like the suggestion that the cog reresents the tic-toc (maybe we're going to fnd out more about them?), but what's up the halo, if that's what it is?
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Post by Refugee on Oct 27, 2008 9:15:48 GMT
I'd say Ysengrin. Although if that's true, it means the Antimony figure is probably Annie rather than Surma, because Ysengrin didn't look like that until recently. The arm makes it Ys, clearly. And the haloed Sb figure is either Surma's spirit, or an indicator of her continuing influence. I just realized: the river arrow has feathers. This may be an actual arrow, not an indicator of flow, as I had originally thought. That spiral on Coyote's flank? I think that's Annie's spankies[284]! Whether that indicates Annie's control over Coyote, Coyote's general tricksiness, or what, remains to be seen. === [update] Oh, hey, speaking of black figures under the trees[295]....
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Post by Rasselas on Oct 27, 2008 9:40:12 GMT
Yes, the cog as tic-toc seems plausible. I think the halo is a halo-eye. It might mean some kind of insight, or indeed as you say they're all over the comic, they might be the entrance to one's body, way to their soul. That's referring to what Reynardine used to do and tried to do to Annie. Also, it might have something to do with Annie's powers as medium.
And yeah, I also thought the arrow indicated direction, at first - still might be so. Then I noticed it's an elaborate one, so it might be whatever it was that Eglamore shot out at hijacked-Robot that time.
Edit: The "halo" might also represent Jeanne's ghost by the river, rather than above Annie's head, if we follow the clue of the cog which is also by the river.
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Post by tyler on Oct 27, 2008 10:31:41 GMT
I see Scooby Doo prancing among the treetops and attempting to catch a UFO. He's crying because he sat on an electric stove burner.
Several people ride hoverboards through the trees.
A werewolf with a broken arm lies dead to the side.
A magical arrow machine has a wavy conveyor belt.
The two tarot cards, the four of swords and the high priestess indicate that now is not a good time to invest in arrows.
I'm probably wrong.
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Post by Per on Oct 27, 2008 12:04:41 GMT
Cog = Court side of the river/technology.
"Halo" = Forest side of the river/ethericity/same shape as each glass-eyed man is standing on.
Together with the arrow (direction of river) and bridge (bridge) they form a simple map.
Forest looks autumn-y, indicating much more time has passed this school year than I would have thought, but I'm guessing that should not be taken literally... er, picturally.
At the bottom we have Annie and Zorro.
Edit: Also the eye is roughly what you get if you take the anti-Reynardine sign and uncross it.
Edit edit: After going back to Broken Glass and looking for visual cues I can see I got the direction of the river wrong. That would mean the cog is indeed the bird (technology on the wrong side) while the eye would probably be Reynardine (a forest guy on the wrong side).
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Post by cenit on Oct 27, 2008 13:20:33 GMT
Well, since a lot has been said about this page, I'll throw a prediction...
I've been wondering how Annie was going to get to the forest since the Court's staff won't think is funny, and the bridge seems to have some kind of alarm... and the I remembered the KAT'S ANTIGRAV BIKE!!!
Let's see what happens
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Post by fishf00d on Oct 27, 2008 13:27:16 GMT
Fellow readers, I think we are in for one hell of a ride...
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 27, 2008 13:38:26 GMT
My money's on the stick figure as Annie, and the thing over her head as a third eye, indicating her ability to see the aetheric. Not that I'm expecting the chapter to have a key in it. She and Eglamore are wearing the Bismuth symbol. It represents the Court, but it's an older symbol, perhaps not much used anymore? Jones says that it's a reminder that the court was founded on aetheric principles, but she also implies that they've moved away from that over the years (centuries?). That would make it an appropriate symbol for a medium, and perhaps for teachers like Eglamore who are clearly still into the supernatural. The white figure could also be Jeanne -- it doesn't seem to be centered directly over Annie's head, but it doesn't look like it's directly opposite the cog either. If Jeanne crossed the water while Annie was in the woods, does that mean she lives on the Court side of the water? Finally, doesn't it look kind of like coyote is wearing a monocle? I just like that image.
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Post by Per on Oct 27, 2008 13:47:54 GMT
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Post by aijuan on Oct 27, 2008 13:59:53 GMT
I've been wondering how Annie was going to get to the forest since the Court's staff won't think is funny... I dunno, with Eggie?
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Post by zingbat on Oct 27, 2008 14:26:16 GMT
Man, I came in here to make all these clever observations that I thought of since last night, and I find that everyone else was cleverer than me and beat me to 'em. Ah well. Mainly what I wanted to say was that I've changed my mind and I think the red-headed figure on the Court side is more likely to be Annie, because of the reasoning that penguinfactory used, I'd say Ysengrin. Although if that's true, it means the Antimony figure is probably Annie rather than Surma, because Ysengrin didn't look like that until recently. and also the presence of the cog/TicToc on the other side (if that is indeed what the cog represents) seems to indicate that this scene takes place in the present rather than back when Surma was there. Also! Look how much shorter the red-headed figure is than the one with the swords. I guess it could be explained by the fact that Eggers is just really tall, but it also seemed like it might be an indication that the red-head is a child. Also, I don't remember, as I type this, who brought up the bismuth symbol in an earlier comment, but I thought I'd add that it signifies that the Court was founded on a union between etheric and technological design. It's also definitely still in use and pops up all over the court, including on the science fair award that Kat wins in Chapter 5.
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Post by Refugee on Oct 27, 2008 14:48:46 GMT
I'm thinking the halo/eye thingie is a halo because pupils are round, not oval -- in addition to being black.
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Post by fishf00d on Oct 27, 2008 16:13:58 GMT
According to logic, the red haired figure is Annie, due to the symbol, the color, and her size. I think the cog and the eye represent the crossing between the court and the wood. There is Ysengrin, Eggers, and other things. They did recently start the school year, and although I do not know the leaf changing schedules for the UK, it seems pretty logical to me.
Also, Eglamore's lead symbol reminds me of Jimmy Page.
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Oct 27, 2008 16:56:32 GMT
This chapter: I'm ready for it.
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Post by kaziklu on Oct 27, 2008 17:49:13 GMT
Sadly, I'll be terribly late for every update this week But I am more than glad to wait for this. I have a feeling it will be magnificent.
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Post by todd on Oct 27, 2008 22:17:40 GMT
At the bottom, the one with the lead symbol is probably Eglamore, and the one with the antimony symbol and its head the color of Annie's hair is probably Jack. Why Jack and not Annie? Annie seems the more logical candidate to me.
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Post by Llandaryn on Oct 27, 2008 22:31:26 GMT
At the bottom, the one with the lead symbol is probably Eglamore, and the one with the antimony symbol and its head the color of Annie's hair is probably Jack. Why Jack and not Annie? Annie seems the more logical candidate to me. I suspect you may have just failed your sarcasm check.
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Post by todd on Oct 27, 2008 23:01:46 GMT
Sarcasm's difficult to detect without a tone of voice to accompany it.
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Post by Tojo on Oct 27, 2008 23:05:23 GMT
I have a completely random prediction that Annie is going to get into some kind of danger that is our of Coyote's control, but then Parley psychically senses that something is happening, so she comes to save the day. I have absolutely no idea were I got that from, but whatever.
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Post by todd on Oct 27, 2008 23:21:40 GMT
I'm particularly looking forward to seeing how Jones will help Annie get to the forest. The school will have all the more reason, after the events of Chapter Seven, to keep an eye on Annie to make certain that she doesn't head out onto the bridge again - and there's no way they're going to approve of her going to the Wood if they know about Coyote's invitation. But Jones seems resourceful enough to find a way of getting around that.
I hope that Tom handles it so that it won't seem like the old case of the protagonist walking into an obvious trap. (And I'd say that we have good reason to be concerned about Coyote's invitation. He issued it after suspecting that Annie has something to do with Reynardine's refusal to return to Gillitie Wood - I suspect that he wants to somehow remove Annie's hold over Reynardine so that he'll leave the school and go back to the forest. And it shouldn't be too hard for Annie to come to the same conclusion.)
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 27, 2008 23:54:15 GMT
I see Scooby Doo prancing among the treetops and attempting to catch a UFO. He's crying because he sat on an electric stove burner. Several people ride hoverboards through the trees. A werewolf with a broken arm lies dead to the side. A magical arrow machine has a wavy conveyor belt. The two tarot cards, the four of swords and the high priestess indicate that now is not a good time to invest in arrows. I'm probably wrong. That was amazing. I defer to you. In fact, I take back everything I have ever said about this comic.
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