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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #30 on Nov 4, 2012, 6:50pm »

Oct 31, 2012, 9:22am, meredith wrote:
I have just registered to say this:

Jones is the Stone (asteroid) that killed dinosaurs. She couldn't return to the stars, so she stayed on Earth. That's why Coyote told Annie to ask her about the stars - she has been there!


Sorry, I could not resist it :).

This is my new favorite theory. Admittedly, that's not saying much.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #31 on Nov 4, 2012, 10:50pm »

Nov 3, 2012, 4:58am, palevalkyrie wrote:
Not to derail the conversation at hand...

But I'm going to leave this UK legend/ ghost story about an ill-fated romance between a woman named Emma and a Sir Eglamore right here.

http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/england/cumbria/hauntings/aira-force.html

And this poem that William Wordsworth wrote about it

http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/the-somnambulist-by-william-wordsworth.html

Not that I think this gives any real insight into Jones' character or the comic, I just have my suspicions about how Tom chose a seemingly random name that he only needed for like, one page.

Wow! Crazy finding! I love it!

I also very much like the asteroid theory, it makes perfect sense.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #32 on Nov 5, 2012, 3:04am »

Oct 31, 2012, 8:19pm, Georgie L wrote:

Oct 30, 2012, 2:21am, Cyclothymia wrote:


I'd have to agree with RedFeather. I think the Red's "classroom of animals" are all specifically fairies. Recall how Alistair could no longer communicate with Kat after his transformation into a bird. Seems like a one-way ticket for him and his family. Shadow also never displayed any etheric qualities, unlike Red and her classmates. It seems to me that some species can pass the "test", while some others may lack the mental capacity to do so.


No it was confirmed by formspring, every male member of the classroom were formally animals, it's also confirmed in comic when in short terms characters say what they formally were, Hedgehog Kid and Badger kid for example.

Oops, my mistake. In this case I am unsure whether all animals can pass the test, should they want to. Again, Alistair didn't seem to be able to talk after his transformation. What level of mental capacity did he retain? On the other hand, how about the animals in Gillitie Forest? To put things to their extreme, what about earthworms? Can they pass the test should they want to?

It's all unknowable at this point, of course. I would be interested to know the specifics of the test / body discarding.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #33 on Nov 5, 2012, 3:18am »

Nov 5, 2012, 3:04am, Cyclothymia wrote:

Oct 31, 2012, 8:19pm, Georgie L wrote:


No it was confirmed by formspring, every male member of the classroom were formally animals, it's also confirmed in comic when in short terms characters say what they formally were, Hedgehog Kid and Badger kid for example.

Oops, my mistake. In this case I am unsure whether all animals can pass the test, should they want to. Again, Alistair didn't seem to be able to talk after his transformation. What level of mental capacity did he retain? On the other hand, how about the animals in Gillitie Forest? To put things to their extreme, what about earthworms? Can they pass the test should they want to?

It's all unknowable at this point, of course. I would be interested to know the specifics of the test / body discarding.


Well, one of them was a fish, so maybe it requires a minimum level of animal intelligence with at least that of a fish?
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On the animal body swapping
« Reply #34 on Nov 5, 2012, 6:13pm »
…or it requires the animals to become so old, that they get enough time to make the decision to swap. Earth worms probably don't get older than a few weeks.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #35 on Nov 5, 2012, 9:04pm »
I'm going with: either she is Lilith (would explain the relationship with men and the taking away/ taking to herself children theme.

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she is the embodiment of the Greek concept of Hiuly (sp?), the initial point of a spiritual concept coming into the physical world (since time is also physical, that's why coyote was able to freeze her when he froze time to put the band on Annie's wrist).
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #36 on Nov 5, 2012, 10:53pm »
Plus if you want intelligent animals in Gunnerkrigg, you can't ignore city face.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #37 on Nov 5, 2012, 11:16pm »
I'm not very sure that Jones has no etherical skills, because in page 367, last pannel, she answers Antimony saying that she is currently teaching how to become a medium, among other things. SO she can teach how to become a medium. That require some etherical skills, right ?...

Maybe she has too many etherical powers, what explains that she probably can't teach how to use a blinker stone, not because that's impossible for her, but because that would be dangerous ?... I'm probably wrong, but all this is gonna drive me crazy... :D Crazy in love about this comic !
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #38 on Nov 6, 2012, 1:53am »
There are some subjects which can be taught entirely through theory, though I believe ether talents is more of an added bonus which would maybe make the forest like them more and is not explicitly needed for the medium position.

Medium itself is merely being taught to deal with etheric beings in the proper manner so that they can be a (supposedly) neutral mediator for the court and the forest.

this is speculation though, can't find any facts to back it up.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #39 on Nov 6, 2012, 5:39am »
Just read this:

http://www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/269863160

Hmmm...
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« Reply #40 on Nov 6, 2012, 12:00pm »
Oh sh... -__-' Theory cancelled. Damn. Thanks for your answers ! :3
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #41 on Nov 9, 2012, 8:30am »
Okay check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone

Could Jones be the philosopher's stone? She is immortal and her natural resilience could be described as stone-like, perhaps she is inspired by those myths given how much alchemy factors into GKC?
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #42 on Nov 9, 2012, 10:01am »
Jones is an original creation.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #43 on Nov 9, 2012, 1:14pm »

Nov 9, 2012, 10:01am, legion wrote:
Jones is an original creation.

LAUGHING ON LINE - Toms words, if memory serves, when asked if she was based on mythology.

My concept has been that she is a form, like coyote, whose existance requires that she exist since the birth of the planet. Whether humans existed yet or not then becomes irrelevent, just that their belief exist in the future.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #44 on Nov 9, 2012, 5:35pm »
Copying this from the comic page's thread:


I think maybe Kat will have a chance to examine her.

Jones could be a Jinni. This is NOT based off myth. A Jinni is a figure that has no beginning. Its timeline is a loop.

An example:
Old woman gives man a watch. Man travels back in time and gives watch to young woman. Woman grows up to give the watch to the man. Repeat ad nauseum. But where did the watch come from?
The watch is a Jinni. It has the unique property of existing infinitely. Yet, it never wears down. It's indestructable, in order to keep the time loop.

I have a theory that time travel can be used to describe any situation, given enough imagination.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #45 on Nov 9, 2012, 7:26pm »
I like the Jinni theory.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #46 on Nov 9, 2012, 7:57pm »
I have a theory that time travel is outwardly indistinguishable from things randomly starting and ceasing to exist.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #47 on Nov 9, 2012, 8:32pm »

Nov 9, 2012, 7:57pm, Per wrote:
I have a theory that time travel is outwardly indistinguishable from things randomly starting and ceasing to exist.
When you abuse it enough, yeah. I'm not quite there yet, as there hasn't been enough evidence to support any multiple-timeline theories.
(for the record, I dislike most uses of the multiple-timeline tropes. It's lazy time travel writing)
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #48 on Nov 10, 2012, 7:34am »

Nov 9, 2012, 5:35pm, alexh wrote:

Jones could be a Jinni. This is NOT based off myth. A Jinni is a figure that has no beginning. Its timeline is a loop.

<TANGENT>

This reminds me of some exciting work being done on spacetime crystals. A pure time crystal is basically what alexh described: its timeline is a loop (not sure about the indestructible stuff, since its interaction with other stuff can break that loop). This corresponds to a symmetry in time, which is the time analog to crystals - not just the New Age kind! - any object that exhibits translational symmetry in space (that is, something that is periodic in one or more directions in space).

In short: Certain jinnis can exist IRL!

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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #49 on Nov 15, 2012, 6:35am »
Fact: I once made a character that looked like Jones. It was a guy that everyone mistook for a girl. I named him... Jones. This was back in 2003 or something. I was very surprised when I read GC the first time.

I'm sure this is relevant.
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« Reply #50 on Nov 15, 2012, 6:13pm »
I registered an account just for this message. I think everyone has been barking up the wrong tree where Jones' role in Coyote's theory is concerned.

The theory, restated is that the following process takes place:

1: A human observes a purely natural, non-etheric phenomenon -- a forest fire, a tidal wave, a thinderstorm, or maybe a hungry coyote waiting for the human to die so it can eat.

2: The human imagines a divine/spiritual will or purpose behind the phenomenon.

3: As the human dies, what it imagines spills into the ether and takes form there, giving rise to all the fairies, gods, psychopomps etc. that we have seen in the strip.

Now, when Antimony said that Jones doesn't seem to fit into that theory, Coyote said she was actually a perfect illustration of it. And ever since then, people on these boards have been speculating as to what she was imagined to be by dying humans.

But she has been shown to predate all life on Earth, and to have no etheric presence at all. Just like, oh say...a purely natural phenomenon!

I think Jones isn't the *product* of the process Coyote described. I think she's the natural phenomenon that humans observed instead, giving rise to humanoid gods and spirits from human imaginations.

Think about it: You're a caveman (or woman), and you imagine explanations for things that you don't understand...but if there's anything that you *do* understand, it's your fellow humans. You don't have to imagine gods motivating them; you don't have to imagine them at all, because they're right there.

But now, along comes a woman who isn't even that robust, who can't be hurt by anything at all, weighs far more than a human her size should, and is strong enough to body-check a charging bison and flip it over. She hangs out and does favors for your tribe for reasons you can only guess, and above all, her face is always expressionless...mysterious...unfathomable.

Yeah...now you're going to start imagining human-looking gods, aren't you?

As for the coincidence of Jones' resemblance to humans, that's easy. Imagine you're Jones. You don't get lonely, but you do get curious. And as life evolves around you, sooner or later it was probably inevitable that something would evolve that resembled you at least a tiny bit. Monkeys or apes or something. Naturally, you'd be especially curious about them; you'd want to study them, and you'd end up protecting them somewhat so you'd still have something to study. And the more they looked like you, the more interested you'd be...

So Jones doesn't look like a human. Humans look like Jones; they evolved that way as a survival trait.

That's my hypothesis, anyway. Followed by my other hypothesis. Later I'll tell you my theory about the brontosaurus and what it is too.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #51 on Nov 15, 2012, 8:29pm »
So Ysengrin takes on that human form as a result of Jones? Not bad!
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« Reply #52 on Nov 16, 2012, 6:06am »

Nov 5, 2012, 11:16pm, gulby wrote:
I'm not very sure that Jones has no etherical skills, because in page 367, last pannel, she answers Antimony saying that she is currently teaching how to become a medium, among other things. SO she can teach how to become a medium. That require some etherical skills, right ?...

Not really. In Gunnerkrigg, "Medium" is just a fancy word for "Diplomat". Besides, instructing someone on how to fulfill a role doesn't require you to be able to fulfill the role yourself.
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« Reply #53 on Nov 17, 2012, 8:55am »
I have thought she was a physical incarnation of the planets will, but that would probably require emotion
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« Reply #54 on Nov 18, 2012, 6:30pm »

Nov 16, 2012, 6:06am, Nnelg wrote:

Not really. In Gunnerkrigg, "Medium" is just a fancy word for "Diplomat". Besides, instructing someone on how to fulfill a role doesn't require you to be able to fulfill the role yourself.


It has been made pretty clear that to be a Medium you must have etheric abilities because the job entails so much interaction with etheric beings who wouldn't give you the time of day if you didn't ask through astral projection. But as you say, just because you can't do doesn't mean that you can't teach. And Jones has plenty of experience of other people with strong etheric abilities, and can relay what she has learned from them.
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Re: Updated Jones Speculation Thread
« Reply #55 on Dec 14, 2012, 12:43am »
Theory: Jones may not be an elemental but I suspect that she is an incarnation of something or another. Maybe she is the concept of immortality personified?

Question: If Jones has her entire life in an adult form why did Carver, Donny & co. (minus Surma) want to take their picture with her? They weren't the same age or anything, so why would they be hanging out? What ties her in with the group? Was she some sort of leader/mentor to them?
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« Reply #56 on Dec 14, 2012, 11:57am »

Dec 14, 2012, 12:43am, tpman wrote:


Question: If Jones has her entire life in an adult form why did Carver, Donny & co. (minus Surma) want to take their picture with her? They weren't the same age or anything, so why would they be hanging out? What ties her in with the group? Was she some sort of leader/mentor to them?


Two possible answers:

1. "Jones" is a common surname in the English-speaking world; it might not be the same Jones.

2. Tom put it in to make it clear, once and for all, that the third girl in the photograph was *not* Jones, when his statements that she wasn't weren't enough to convince the readers, and we shouldn't over-analyze its in-universe significance.
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« Reply #57 on Dec 14, 2012, 3:24pm »

Dec 14, 2012, 11:57am, todd wrote:

Dec 14, 2012, 12:43am, tpman wrote:


Question: If Jones has her entire life in an adult form why did Carver, Donny & co. (minus Surma) want to take their picture with her? They weren't the same age or anything, so why would they be hanging out? What ties her in with the group? Was she some sort of leader/mentor to them?

Two possible answers:

1. "Jones" is a common surname in the English-speaking world; it might not be the same Jones.

2. Tom put it in to make it clear, once and for all, that the third girl in the photograph was *not* Jones, when his statements that she wasn't weren't enough to convince the readers, and we shouldn't over-analyze its in-universe significance.

The second of the two, definitely.
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« Reply #58 on Dec 14, 2012, 8:39pm »
Do we have any idea just how human Jones is? She looks human but does she smell or feel like a regular person? Does she emit heat? Does she require sustenance (I doubt it)?
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« Reply #59 on Dec 15, 2012, 2:25am »
If she required sustenance, she would have staved for the few million years she was buried in solid rock. I expect that she also emits no heat or smell, and she wouldn't feel the same since her skin wouldn't yield to any pressure.
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